1 00:00:00,199 --> 00:00:01,159 thank 2 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,760 [Applause] 3 00:00:01,159 --> 00:00:07,040 you 4 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:11,160 uh Jeremy listening to your introduction 5 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:14,599 and my friends Sheamus and 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:19,000 Andrew I honestly didn't know whether to 7 00:00:14,599 --> 00:00:24,000 laugh or cry though cry uh was the most 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:28,679 likely uh outcome it is 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:31,119 surreal to hear collated in This way 10 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:35,960 everything that we in the anti-war 11 00:00:31,119 --> 00:00:37,280 movement predicted 13 years ago almost 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:42,079 to a 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:43,200 tea Mr Blair likes now to say that he 14 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,719 has been 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,160 surprised by the 16 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:51,199 subsequent uh course of 17 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:56,320 events but that's just another 18 00:00:51,199 --> 00:00:59,000 lie because he heard it from 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,039 Millions even when they didn't know what 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,680 they know now 21 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:05,239 that there were no weapons of mass 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,880 destruction that the entire thing was a 23 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:09,799 tower of 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Lies but he heard it face to face manto 25 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:14,960 man from me outside the gentleman's 26 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:18,240 laboratory in the library Corridor of 27 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:23,200 the House of Commons to be 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:25,320 precise I told him that the fall of 29 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,759 Baghdad would not be the beginning of 30 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:30,159 the end but just the end of the 31 00:01:27,759 --> 00:01:31,640 beginning I told him there were no 32 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:35,439 al-Qaeda in 33 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,079 Iraq but if he and Bush invaded there 34 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:40,119 would be hundreds of thousands of 35 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:42,799 al-Qaeda in Iraq that 36 00:01:40,119 --> 00:01:44,960 the extremists would 37 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:48,680 descend like 38 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:52,200 spores on the wounds that he and Bush 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:55,360 were ready to open I told them that if 40 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:58,039 you invade and occupy Iraq with hundreds 41 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:01,079 of thousands of Western soldiers in 42 00:01:58,039 --> 00:02:04,600 George Bush's Crusade 43 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:08,520 extremism will Cascade all over the 44 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:11,800 world even I said in our own 45 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,400 country more than two years before it 46 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,000 did on 47 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,760 77 48 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:22,160 200 five I talked about this Hydra at 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:25,000 this point Alistair Campbell about whom 50 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,160 more later pulled him away because it 51 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:33,560 was threatening to get 52 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:35,360 physical so it is so real to me to hear 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:39,680 you and Andrew and 54 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:44,879 Sheamus adumbrate the theaters of 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:47,080 conflict and I I won't repeat most of 56 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:51,760 them but Sheamus 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:54,599 said that or you did Jeremy welcome to 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:58,159 this very secure 59 00:02:54,599 --> 00:03:00,400 building well we must hope it is uh a 60 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:03,200 very secure building if it is is it is 61 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:06,000 one of the few in this country that can 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,120 be so described as a very secure 63 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,840 building I want to 64 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,720 talk about our prediction that if you 65 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:17,599 make war against Muslims abroad you will 66 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:20,760 end up at war with Muslims at home 67 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:24,480 nothing could be more certain if you 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:28,000 pump the air full of hatred of Muslims 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:30,360 Muslim leaders Muslim countries Rogues 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,400 terrorists do you expect 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:38,200 expect the Tabloid media and other 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:40,680 sections of the media do you expect the 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,959 right the 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:47,879 racists to make a distinction 75 00:03:43,959 --> 00:03:52,280 between that Muslim over there and the 76 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:56,079 one praying in the mosque on my street 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:59,159 or who owns a shop or a restaurant at 78 00:03:56,079 --> 00:04:02,159 just around the corner from me what kind 79 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:04,480 of level of Consciousness do you imagine 80 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:08,640 exists that if you 81 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,560 demonize Islam and its various leaders 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:15,280 to the extent that you are 83 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,560 doing you are sowing Dragon's Teeth and 84 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:22,320 you will reap the 85 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:27,040 Whirlwind and we haven't yet not since 86 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:29,160 2005 but I can tell you it's not a state 87 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,360 secret and if it is I'm going to tell 88 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,320 you anyway 89 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:37,160 that the head of the British Security 90 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:41,720 Services says that an attack in Britain 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:44,160 is and I quote him virtually 92 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,720 inevitable now he may not have meant it 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,120 quite so strongly he did have a price 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,639 tag at the end asking for more money and 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,800 more resources but if it is virtually 96 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:58,520 inevitable that means it's almost 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,919 certain to happen if I told you it's 98 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,199 virtually inevitable when when you go 99 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:03,560 out there that you're going to be 100 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:04,320 knocked down by a bus you wouldn't cross 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,880 the 102 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,240 road so we must assume that he's telling 103 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:13,160 the truth and that some kind of variant 104 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:16,759 of these Paris 105 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,919 atrocities is coming our way which of 106 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:23,240 course will add yet another 107 00:05:18,919 --> 00:05:27,280 twist yet more hatred yet more bigotry 108 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:30,960 yet more recruits for the 109 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:33,759 extremists and the 110 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,120 Fanatics so the wars that you are 111 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:40,039 describing And discussing this evening 112 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:42,199 have to include the war at 113 00:05:40,039 --> 00:05:45,840 home it turns 114 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:51,080 out that we have the opposite of what we 115 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:54,319 need we need smart better 116 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:57,960 intelligence but we have fools it would 117 00:05:54,319 --> 00:06:00,600 appear in charge of our security I just 118 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,759 read the guardian to 119 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:07,520 tonight that 120 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:10,840 gchq has been busy hoovering up the 121 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:14,680 emails of the journalists on the BBC the 122 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:16,560 guardian The Daily Mail the sun Reuters 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,759 NBC 124 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:23,440 ABC did they think that there might be 125 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:26,639 some jihadists working for the daily 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:29,199 maal is this the use to which they're 127 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:31,039 putting the money and resources that 128 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:33,840 they they 129 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:35,800 have they're spending billions we don't 130 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:38,240 know how many because it's a state 131 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,360 secret it's not 132 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:44,800 revealed but 133 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:46,039 they couldn't keep track of the two 134 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,160 fanatic 135 00:06:46,039 --> 00:06:52,240 murderers who 136 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,240 decapitated Lee rig in broad daylight in 137 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,440 a South London 138 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Street they have again I hope it's not a 139 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:03,120 state secret they have for the first 140 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,919 first time in British history 141 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,240 dispersed the 142 00:07:04,919 --> 00:07:11,599 SAS across the country no longer based 143 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:14,680 in one place Herod but dispersed around 144 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:17,560 the country because they believe that 145 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:20,360 this attack Mumbai style attack when it 146 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:24,479 comes will take place in what they call 147 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:27,199 the provinces rather than in 148 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:31,560 London and they need to have SAS 149 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:34,840 soldiers nearby uh for a quick 150 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,479 reaction so this is a pretty disastrous 151 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,840 situation that we 152 00:07:37,479 --> 00:07:43,440 face and it is 153 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,240 all of course I'm not exculpating the 154 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:49,360 actual 155 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:52,120 murderers who should be in prison for 99 156 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,720 years the people who killed 157 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,720 rig but that doesn't mean we can avoid 158 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,879 telling the truth as I told William hag 159 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:02,680 in the lift in this very building 160 00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:06,159 I told William Hig these two people who 161 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:08,720 killed that soldier in South London if 162 00:08:06,159 --> 00:08:10,199 they had gone to Syria instead you would 163 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,840 have paid their 164 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:17,680 airfare you would have bought them the 165 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:21,599 knives our policy of supporting from the 166 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:24,360 1980s until now this day David Cameron's 167 00:08:21,599 --> 00:08:26,080 just announced we are going to be 168 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,919 training 169 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:34,120 moderate islamists in Syria and hoping 170 00:08:29,919 --> 00:08:36,959 they don't defect to Al-Qaeda or Isis as 171 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,080 soon as we have trained them like all 172 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:43,279 the weapons we gave which were 173 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:47,000 immediately stolen by ISIS and 174 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:51,279 Al-Qaeda our policy of building these 175 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Frankenstein monsters around the world 176 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:58,640 is proof that they never read the novel 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Frankenstein to the end for if they had 178 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,560 they would not know that once you've 179 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,760 built 180 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:08,399 it it's out of your 181 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,800 control that's why it's called a 182 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:14,040 monster once you've created it it will 183 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:17,640 do whatever it 184 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:20,040 likes and that's exactly what has been 185 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,560 happening it's what happened in France 186 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:26,120 it's what happened in Belgium and if the 187 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:29,360 security services here are uh to be 188 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,959 believed it's virtually inevitable that 189 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,360 it's going to 190 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:37,040 happen here one last point before I go 191 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:40,959 to the Grim and room 192 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:45,160 Jeremy somebody asked me today in an 193 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:49,560 interview what can we do to stop this 194 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,560 radicalization should we ban 195 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:55,320 WhatsApp should 196 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:57,720 we stop these 197 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,360 preachers preachers of 198 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:04,880 hate in tabloid 199 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:07,440 speak should organizations like hisb and 200 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:10,279 others be 201 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:14,680 prescribed I told the interviewer the 202 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:17,360 only thing necessary to radicalize a 203 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:19,040 Muslim in Britain today is the ability 204 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,120 to watch the 205 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,720 television last 206 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:28,399 summer everybody including the 2 million 207 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,760 Muslims watched not just the slaughter 208 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:35,040 of two 209 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:37,800 ,60 Palestinians trapped in the Gaza 210 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:40,760 Strip 500 of them 211 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,240 children the majority of them women and 212 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,519 children with nowhere to run and nowhere 213 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,160 to hide not only did they have to watch 214 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:50,120 that happening they had to watch our 215 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,160 government supporting the 216 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,639 murderers they had to watch our 217 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,160 government supporting those carrying out 218 00:10:54,639 --> 00:11:00,200 the slaughter as did the 219 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:03,440 French and Muslims 220 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,079 everywhere Cy what is remarkable is that 221 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,040 there are so few 222 00:11:05,079 --> 00:11:12,639 Fanatics so few 223 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:15,320 extremists not that there are so many so 224 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:19,480 Sheamus is Right Andrew is 225 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:22,920 right what is to be done the opposite of 226 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,920 what we're doing it's not rocket 227 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:29,160 science we should do nothing 228 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,639 else and reverse that which we are doing 229 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,600 on the principle that when you're in a 230 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:35,240 hole stop 231 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,440 digging we should stop supporting the 232 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:41,600 murderers in Gaza and start supporting 233 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:45,720 the victims of the murderers in Gaza we 234 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,720 should stop invading and 235 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,760 occupying one Muslim country after 236 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,680 another and subverting one Muslim 237 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,040 country after another backing the 238 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:58,480 extremists in Syria supporting the 239 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,399 military Juna and Egypt and so on we 240 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:05,399 should stop stop it and let the people 241 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:09,440 of those countries decide their own 242 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:12,440 future stop propping up these rotten 243 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:15,160 corrupt dictators who rule the Muslim 244 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,959 World almost without exception from one 245 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,839 end to the other Saudi Arabia which was 246 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:23,720 at the front of the march in Paris by 247 00:12:20,839 --> 00:12:27,120 the way the Saudi Ambassador was 248 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:31,560 Marching for press freedom and freedom 249 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:35,880 of speech in Paris in the very 250 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:41,600 week that they were lashing with a whip 251 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:43,880 in public 50 times for the next 20 252 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:47,600 weeks someone who wrote A 253 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:51,680 Blog criticizing not Islam not the 254 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:53,680 prophet criticizing the corrupt 255 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:57,320 appointees in the religious 256 00:12:53,680 --> 00:13:01,079 establishment who are merely stoes of 257 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:04,240 the kleptocracy that run Saudi Arabia 258 00:13:01,079 --> 00:13:06,560 Saudi Arabia is our best friend we are 259 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,600 never done trying to sell them more 260 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:12,040 weapons we are never done trying to send 261 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:15,040 them more trainers when they invade 262 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:18,800 their neighbor bahin we support 263 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:21,680 it how seriously can any Muslim take our 264 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,800 protestations of being in favor of 265 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:27,519 freedom and 266 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:29,279 liberty freedom of speech when our best 267 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:33,120 friend is the 268 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:36,240 dungeon of the region and the UNF freest 269 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:39,160 country on the earth thank you very much 270 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,160 indeed for 271 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,880 coming